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ok, this should go into the 404 forum but I just sat for almost a half hour writing a reply here and with reference links and everything and when I hit submit it told me I wasn't logged in

To reiterate:

Sorry to be the wet blanket, but I hope they dump the F-14 wannabe VF-1 in favor of something a tad more modern. I'm personally sick to death of hearing how f&cking wonderful the g*dd@mn VF-1 is. I'm personally sick to death of hearing how wonderful a mecha designer Shoji Kawamori is and how he can do no wrong. I'm personally sick to death of retarded transforming warships that serve no practical purpose but to be wanking material for fanboys. I hope they dump every stupid, kitschy, rertarded aspect of The Macross Saga in favour of something a tad more in line with a serious military sci-fi drama.

Now tell us how you really feel Seriously though their other options aren't great either, the Navy has been lacking in fighter design since the F-14 went into production. The F-18 is no spring chicken and it's been done in movies to he!! and back already. For a "modern" fighter it doesn't even have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio which means it cannot pull a 90 degree vertical climb. The F-35 will be more modern and likely a better fighter but it is still underpowered with similar issues to the F-18. It is basically a stealth stopgap measure though it wasn't intended to be a stopgap measure at all. It is also too short to make a large Battloid like the VF-1, it would be better suited as a modernization for the Alpha I think.

Some comparisons:

Navy

F-14 - Length 63ft, 1:0.91 T-R, with wings swept back T-R is unknown (I couldn’t find a reference) but it is closer to equaling and perhaps exceeds 1:1 by a small margin, Mach 2.4.

F-18 - Length 60ft, E/F Super Hornet, 1:0.93, Mach 1.8.

F-18 - Length 56ft, ABC&D Hornet, 1:0.95, Mach 1.8.

F-35 - Length 50ft, C Navy Variant, 1:0.81 T-R, Mach 1.6+.

Air Force

F-15 - Length 64ft, 1:1.30 T-R, Mach 2.5.

F-22 - Length 62ft, 1:1.26 T-R, Speed still classified but believed to be between Mach 2.0 and 2.6 ( I have seen many varying reports), super cruise at Mach 1.7 without afterburning.

F-16 - Length 49ft, 1:1.095 T-R, Mach 2.0 with the newer F110 engines.

The Navy fighters are simply underpowered in my opinion. That isn't to say they aren't good fighters but they seem to have some catching up to do. The F-14 is the only well powered modern jet fighter they have fielded to date and that includes the upcoming F-35. The F-22 would be the only good modernization they could use to my mind but I have to repeat my earlier issue with putting a traditional Navy logo an Air Force fighter. I think that just opens the movie to criticism it doesn't need. Also, the SDF-1 is a ship, its crew and rank structure are supposed to be naval in origin, Captain Gloval for example. Further the Transformers movie pulled in over $700 million worldwide. Using a transforming F-22 would risk too many Starscream comparisons I think.

What are you referring to when you say "retarded transforming warships that serve no practical purpose?" They give very practical reasons for transformations in the Macross Saga. The VF-1 transforms to Battloid to put it on par with the 50 foot tall Zentraedi and Guardian mode is a partial Battloid transformation useful for low and slow close air support, VTOL and other functions. SDF-1 performs its modular transformation to link up the power conduits to its main guns after the fold system disappeared. The power conduits were shared with the fold system previously. In my experience it has been most other mecha centered anime which don't appear to have any good reason for their mecha other than having cool looking mecha. Btw, Shoji Kawamori is renowned not for designing the coolest mecha around, he is renowned because most of his mecha transformations actually function in a 3D environment. It isn't all cartoon magic like many pieces of transforming mecha have been and still are. If you just want cool looking, mindless mecha Robotech is in fact the wrong place to look.

To be honest after reading your post I can't help but wonder whether you even like Robotech. Do you maybe just like a different saga other than Macross? Do you not like the ships and mecha but maybe do like certain characters or what? You basically just ripped about 50% of the Robotech story

And for the record I have never wanked anything to Robotech Mecha... to Lisa maybe but not to mecha

I just had another thought as well:

I hope they dump every stupid, kitschy, rertarded aspect of The Macross Saga in favour of something a tad more in line with a serious military sci-fi drama.

Such movie would be more accurately titled Star Blazers

Ranadicus wrote: To be honest after reading your post I can't help but wonder whether you even like Robotech. Do you maybe just like a different saga other than Macross?

God knows, one is supposed to f&cking worship The Macross Saga if one likes Robotech. You'll forgive me if I take extreme offense to your position as it typifies the kind of bullsh!t I've had to put up with far too long now.

Do you not like the ships and mecha but maybe do like certain characters or what?

As a matter of fact, no, I do not like the designs from The Macross Saga. I think they are rather absurd for the most part. I'm also rather sick of hearing how g*dd@mn wonderful they supposedly are. I think the transforming SDF-01 is a stupid idea, which serves no real practical purpose but to increase the surface area turned towards the enemy by some 300% (thus increasing the amount of damage the ship will take). I find the main gun on the SDF-01 to be a rather useless weapon in fact, as you would get far more bang for your buck by using multiple traversing beam turrets or missile batteries for the amount of space (let alone energy) taken up.

You basically just ripped about 50% of the Robotech story

Yes, cause God knows Robotech is simply Macross and Mospeada. How careless of me.

I wasn't trying to offend I was just curious.

God knows, one is supposed to f&cking worship The Macross Saga if one likes Robotech. You'll forgive me if I take extreme offense to your position as it typifies the kind of bullsh!t I've had to put up with far too long now.

Well to be fair you don't really have to put up with it do you? I mean people give their opinions about things, that's life. If you disagree you say so. There's really no need take it so personal.

As a matter of fact, no, I do not like the designs from The Macross Saga. I think they are rather absurd for the most part. I'm also rather sick of hearing how g*dd@mn wonderful they supposedly are. I think the transforming SDF-01 is a stupid idea, which serves no real practical purpose but to increase the surface area turned towards the enemy by some 300% (thus increasing the amount of damage the ship will take). I find the main gun on the SDF-01 to be a rather useless weapon in fact, as you would get far more bang for your buck by using multiple traversing beam turrets or missile batteries for the amount of space (let alone energy) taken up.

Actually I always thought SDF-1 looked kind of silly flying in Combat/Battle Mode. It was still capable of approaching an enemy main guns first though and also fired them that way on at least one occasion. SDF-1 didn't have to present a entire side to them unless performing the Daedalus attack. And again it was done in the story because the main gun couldn't be fired otherwise. Also the other weapons on SDF-1 were fired at enemy ships on occasion and caused relatively little damage. It wasn't until later in the story that reflex warheads were developed by the Human forces. The trouble here is you seem to be ignoring both the animation and storyline almost entirely and are just pointing to a single frame to make decisions about.

Yes, cause God knows Robotech is simply Macross and Mospeada. How careless of me.

So I can assume from what you've said you prefer the Masters Saga/Super Dimension Cavalry: Southern Cross then? Actually that is also my favorite part. The first episode I caught in 85' was Dana's Story and that is what got me into Robotech to begin with.

Further, have you had your blood pressure checked lately? Maybe you should switch to decaf or something. You seem to be taking anime kind of personaly is all and I'm not sure that's entirely healthy. I will happily discuss the Masters or the original Super Dimension Cavalry: Southern Cross in the places designated to do so but this particular section is about the live action movie and that is going to be about the Macross Saga whether we like it or not. Hopefully there will be sequels and we'll get to see the rest as well eventually but for the time being the other two parts are unfortunately being ignored with regard to live action.

Its supposed to be silly, its a cartoon!

I mean just like Brook said transforming airplanes is not practical. At least not now and probably never. But its a cartoon!! Its fantasy, sci-fi. If I wanted realism I'd go for The Hunt for Red October or Saving Private Ryan (not saying that these exemplify war movies just examples).

So give me my impractical transforming mecha with unrealistic stories. Its kind of like putting down Spider Man for how unrealistic it is.

Oh yeah and the system will log you out if you're idle for more than 15 minutes.

I translate this post from the RT.com in the Robotech Español Forum.
This thing is true?.
Of a way, than more extraordinary, the people of The Hollywood Reporter INVENTED the news that surely armed of algun rumor. Site after site, Web after Web, blog after blog, were copying, beating, rewriting, adding, always on the basis of the same and ONLY version of The Hollywood….
After to work 10 years of journalist in several mass media, one knows what is the news and what it is the invented news.
After to find out me this, I communicated with the Fan Official Club of Maguire in the United States and they said surprised me that never they had listened to something referred a film of Robotech.
Consequently, if thousands of fans of Robotech wish to believe a rumor that sent a site of gadgets (gossip show), create what they want. or if no, they look for some official news that she is not the one of HR…
Here I give you the link in spanish.
http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=1774544&forumid=18&pagenumber=20#post Post by the user RAND_2006 Rank: Private
Saludos:ohmy:

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Cool pic MEMO, I was to post that pic, well you beat me on it:laugh:

What is wrong with the Tomcat? If it wern't for Rummy then we would have a New Tomcat in the Navy instead of a Super Hornet. The tomcat to this day is a good fighter, it was pulled because of maintenace cost.

In any event the VF-1's tomcat look stops at the swept wings and thoes can be found on the B-1B as well. Tomcat inspired but not a look alike as i believe the Tomcat is actually longer then the VF-1 (the tomcat is huge) Love the tid bit about the jolly rogers btw but the Skulls that we see in RT have The Naval Squadron VF-17 in 1943 to thank for it's start. They were based at NAS Norfolk where they cause alot of trouble and earned thier rep for trouble makeing with the Corsairs they flew.

I would love to see something in the LAM refrenceing the real life Jolly Rogers of VF-103. (even if they are flying Super Hornets now LOL) Hey the Navy did it for Star Trek with the sailors of the Real USS Enterprise then why not some crew from the actual Skulls on the screen?