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It's actually this thread that made me really want to pick this up. I found it quite an awesome take on the original Macross, and still keeps that original feel to it, while adding the updates, like the people using cell phones to film the airshow and whatnot.

The whole argument that people are trying to throw into this is a fruitless one. Shadow Chronicles didn't have the greatest uniform design, and everyone was using the same plastic surgeon, but I think it was more in the context of the show that made it so bad. If you're gonna have a big boob committee with painted on clothin in a film that's supposed to be completely serious and full of drama and suspense, you're gonna get people cringing at the mix-match of portrayals. For example: how would you take a valid business proposition from someone dressed in homeless clothing, and has no money? Guaranteed, you'd not take it as seriously. If RTSC was more balanced, and had some of the campy comedy that points in the direction of the tight outfits, or the boobs, it then disarms the issue, and fans can't criticize what is intended. Unfortunately, RTSC didn't have those transitions, and again, it just looked like a film trying to be serious and dramatic with full breasted women in superhero outfits.

With this Macross the First, the issue that people are trying to make out of it for the sake of starting an issue isn't even one. The campy risque moments in it are there as part of the draw from keeping it so serious all of the time. Anyone with any sense of good storytelling will tell you that you can't ride one emotion through a whole story. People want to dive into multiple feelings, to feel suspense, joy, sadness, and comedy. Macross the First does a great job of doing that, and keeps the different feelings of the reader on a pleasent ride.

Aside from that, let's not compare character designs, as the Macross the First characters actually have clothes that look like you can actually put them on, not paint them on.

Juan wrote:

Who exactly are you talking about? The people who criticize the boobs in Shadow Chronicles generally haven't seen Macross the First, and vice-versa.

I'm not soo sure about that, I have seen a lot bashing over MW by people in that Robotech tread( that's sometimes is more active that the whole forum)

Really? It always seemed to me that the toys and models section of the boards was always the most active.

But again...who exactly? I think you'll find that the people who make fun of Shadow Chronicles' uniform design are not the same people reading Macross the First.

And anyway, I don't see any good way to compare the two projects; they're entirely different stories, in entirely different mediums, with nothing in common, really. So why compare them?

Towgrin wrote:

Aside from that, let's not compare character designs, as the Macross the First characters actually have clothes that look like you can actually put them on, not paint them on.

And aside from THAT, I'd like to point out that the scenes of Minmay's legs and such take up...what, about five pages total? Out of a 200-page book. If it bothers anyone, it should be easy for them to ignore.

For me, I thought it was a little silly, but not offensive. And since it pretty much stopped after the second chapter, I don't really have any cause to complain.

Gubaba wrote:

So why compare them?

To uncover the hypocrisy of the evil Macross purist trolls and invalidate their arguments against Robotech, of course! All this time Macross has been even worse at the same things they slam Robotech for!

Aladdin Sane

To uncover the hypocrisy of the evil Macross purist trolls and invalidate their arguments against Robotech, of course! All this time Macross has been even worse at the same things they slam Robotech for!

EXACTLY!!

I CAN SEE WHERE JUAN IS COMING FROM IN THAT REGARDS. JUST THAT THE ANIMAL HUMP GRAB ON MENMI IS A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY. MORE THAN SILLY IN MY OPINION. OVERSIZED BOOBS.. HEY, MORE T & A. BUT THAT... JUST TO FAR FOR ME.

BUT LIKE GUBABA SAID.. IT PRETTY MUCH DIES OUT AFTER THE REAR SHOWING IN THE SDF-1 BRIDGE. NOW THAT AIN'T A BOOBIE TRAP.. THATS A .. HMM... DONT KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT.


ON THE STORY, I DONT LIKE THE CHANGES. UPDATES TO FIT WITH THE TODAY'S TIME IS COOL. BUT THINGS LIKE MOVING CHARACTERS AROUND JUST NOT THAT LIKABLE.

NOW I WONDER HOW THE SET UP WILL BE WITH MINMEI BEING A ROCK STAR ALREADY AT THE OPENING OF THE BOOK. WILL THERE BE A MISS MACROSS CONTEST? OR WILL THEY PLAY THE "SHARON FROM FRONTIER SAVED BY A PILOT" ROCK STAR STORY NOW? WHICH TAKES FROM ORIGINAL SDF MACROSS. WE WILL SEE.

MEMO1DOMINION wrote:

NOW I WONDER HOW THE SET UP WILL BE WITH MINMEI BEING A ROCK STAR ALREADY AT THE OPENING OF THE BOOK. WILL THERE BE A MISS MACROSS CONTEST? OR WILL THEY PLAY THE "SHARON FROM FRONTIER SAVED BY A PILOT" ROCK STAR STORY NOW? WHICH TAKES FROM ORIGINAL SDF MACROSS. WE WILL SEE.

Don't worry...she's not a star at the beginning of the comic, she just got a small modeling gig at the launch ceremony. The Miss Macross Contest will probably happen in book 3 or 4.

As for moving characters around, that dies down after the first chapter as well. But I didn't mind it...Roy is THE ace for the UN Forces, right? And he used to work for Hikaru's father's air show. So it makes sense that he'd be flying with the aerobatic team at the beginning. And if HE'S up the air, then SOMEONE'S gotta emcee, right? Why not Misa?

GUBABA

As for moving characters around, that dies down after the first chapter as well. But I didn't mind it...Roy is THE ace for the UN Forces, right? And he used to work for Hikaru's father's air show. So it makes sense that he'd be flying with the aerobatic team at the beginning. And if HE'S up the air, then SOMEONE'S gotta emcee, right? Why not Misa?

THAT'S THE THING. SHOULD NOT MISA BE HERSELF UP ON THE BRIDGE WHERE SHE BELONGS?

AT LEAST DON'T MAKE THE SAME LITTLE DANCE JIG WITH THE MIC STAND. SOMETHING NEW WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE.

MEMO1DOMINION wrote:

GUBABA

As for moving characters around, that dies down after the first chapter as well. But I didn't mind it...Roy is THE ace for the UN Forces, right? And he used to work for Hikaru's father's air show. So it makes sense that he'd be flying with the aerobatic team at the beginning. And if HE'S up the air, then SOMEONE'S gotta emcee, right? Why not Misa?

THAT'S THE THING. SHOULD NOT MISA BE HERSELF UP ON THE BRIDGE WHERE SHE BELONGS?

Huh. Good question.

My best guess that, Misa being Misa, she probably arrived really early that morning, and finished all of her prep work WAY before everyone else, so she was available.

Either that, or Captain Global assigned her the job, knowing the rest of the brdige crew would need a break from her bossiness for a while.

MEMO1DOMINION wrote:

AT LEAST DON'T MAKE THE SAME LITTLE DANCE JIG WITH THE MIC STAND. SOMETHING NEW WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE.

But the bit with the bridge bunnies watching that bit on the big monitor made it TOTALLY worth it.

[EDITED BY MEMO]

I got to say something else, sometimes I can speak in an improper way or maybe things don't come out the way I think about it,but that's the English language.

Memo and I most of the time think alike, I have spoken to him the way I feel about this. Some people took it on Yune because of the bobbies and the skin tight uniforms. I like the 2 factors, plus in the original series they use skin thigh clothes as well.

many others has often gone public claiming that Yune has an immature just because of a cover for an soundtrack album where uses an pic of minmay's skirt.

But the pic of the cover with that animal doing Minmay that's is way worse. And about the "nalgas" of Minmay I actually don't have a problem there, same way I don't have a problem with the tits oR the girls in shadow. And talk about re-writing stuff

My point is you have to be consistent. If you hate it, you do. But you can't love it now, when you had a problem with before.

GUBABA

My best guess that, Misa being Misa, she probably arrived really early that morning, and finished all of her prep work WAY before everyone else, so she was available.

Either that, or Captain Global assigned her the job, knowing the rest of the bridge crew would need a break from her bossiness for a while.

ALL IS SPECULATION BECAUSE NOW

SEE MY POINT? NOW WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CONTINUITY AND THE COMMON SENSE OF THE STORY.

I CAN ALSO SAY ROY IS MORE FITTED TO RUN THE MIC CONSIDERING HE KNOWS THE PLANES AND AERODYNAMICS OF IT AND WHAT AND WHAT NOT THEY CAN DO. YOU JUST DON'T THROW A GIRL WHO IS MORE FIT TO COMMAND COMING FRESH OUT OF THE ACADEMY INTO A PILOTS MIND OF THINKING TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PLANES TO THE CROWD.

EXAMPLE WOULD BE A RESTAURANT. THE CHEF CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT COOKING ON WHAT'S IN THE MENU THAN A WAITRESS EVEN THOUGHT THE WAITRESS CAN RUN A CASH REGISTER BETTER THAN THE COOK.

IT JUST DON'T JIVE.

I CAN SEE THE POINT THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE WITH HAVING HIKARU FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH MISA(THE SOURPUSS FOR ROBOTECH FANS). IT'S JUST A TAD BIT EARLY IN THE STORY. YOU KNOW... TO SET UP THE PLOT BETWEEN HIKARU AND MISA THAT IS.


AND THE IDEA FOR MINMEI ALREADY A STAR TAKES OUT THE FEEL OF HIKARU AND MINMEI HELPING EACH OTHER FOR ONE TO BECOME A PILOT AND THE OTHER TO BE A STAR. MINMEI IS ALREADY A STAR GOING IN. JUST LIKE SHEYRL (SHE-YRL=DYRL?) NOME. AND THAT'S EVEN THOUGHT SHE IS A "MODEL".