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This schtick of the SDF Macross saga was okay I guess considering the farce of resurrecting the Macross and making the story of how humans were decendants of micronized Zentradis and the main charecters were on Skull squadron and the worst part was the Zents were reimaged but the meltrans still looked like normal females.

I enjoyed DYRL alot because it did keep some original story plots like Breetai teaming with humans and the music was alright.Sorry Macross fans but I can't see why so many are obsessed with Mari Ijima because she sounds like she drank pickle and lemon juice before singing some songs.

I liked the second Macross where Sharon Apple activated the SDF,but what I could not understand is I remember the main guns destroid in DYRL but in other Macross shows it was as if never damaged.

Ghost Maker wrote:

This schtick of the SDF Macross saga was okay I guess considering the farce of resurrecting the Macross and making the story of how humans were decendants of micronized Zentradis

Y'know, I've seen DYRL a good thirty or more times and that has NEVER been a part of the plot... so either that fandub is even worse than I gave it credit for, or you've totally misinterpreted a few fairly important things.

Humanity is not descended from the Zentradi, they were made by the Protoculture, who genetically reengineered the local wildlife tens of thousands of years in the past. The reason the Protoculture were on Earth in the first place was they were fleeing the out-of-control Zentradi and Meltrandi, the giant soldiers they had created to fight their civil war.

Also, the Macross was not "resurrected" by any means. The ship was, in fact, never destroyed in the original series. That's a Robotech-ism you're mistakenly applying to Macross. DYRL was originally a different version of the events of Space War 1 (a status it still holds in the alternate universe continuity), and the main continuity later changed it to a dramatization of Space War 1 filmed in the late 2020s using U.N. Spacy ships, holography, and probably one of the many mass-produced Macross-class ships.



Ghost Maker wrote:

and the main charecters were on Skull squadron and the worst part was the Zents were reimaged but the meltrans still looked like normal females.

Really? I rather like the DYRL redesigns. Macross's creators certainly feel the same, as the DYRL designs began to retroactively replace the TV series ones, starting with Macross 7. Also, normal Zentradi soldiers look just like humans, it's only the specially-made command ones and archivists who look different.

Ghost Maker wrote:

Sorry Macross fans but I can't see why so many are obsessed with Mari Ijima because she sounds like she drank pickle and lemon juice before singing some songs.

Well, that puts you in the minority... voicing Minmay was what kicked off Mari Iijima's career and made her a star. Even today, her songs from Macross are still doing pretty well ("My Boyfriend is a Pilot" and "Do You Remember Love?" were both used in Macross Frontier).

And, I have to ask, what are you comparing her to? Certainly not Reba West/Rebecca Forstadt, who had to use copious quantities of "liquid confidence" to work up the courage to record her atrocious singing.


Ghost Maker wrote:

I liked the second Macross where Sharon Apple activated the SDF,but what I could not understand is I remember the main guns destroid in DYRL but in other Macross shows it was as if never damaged.

Simple answer... the DYRL version of events is a historical drama released in 2031 for the main continuity (of which Macross Plus is part). The TV series version of the war is the correct one for the main continuity. The damage inflicted by Quamzin was repaired by the end of 2012.

In the alternate universe, where DYRL is canon, they fix the ship's main gun at some point between 2037 and 2054.

Not bad for a fan-dub, but truly atrocious by today's dub standards.

But commendable & I'd rate them 5 stars out of their own effort to do the entire thing on their own, their own contribution to Macross fandom.

This schtick of the SDF Macross saga was okay I guess considering the farce of resurrecting the Macross and making the story of how humans were decendants of micronized Zentradis and the main charecters were on Skull squadron and the worst part was the Zents were reimaged but the meltrans still looked like normal females.

Its not a farce. Remember, Star Trek had retroactive reimaginings from the originals yet it still remain Star Trek.

DYRL served as in-Universe movie retelling of Space War One in Macross-verse, albeit a very popular movie at that which influenced next gen Macross generations in Macross Plus, Macross 7 & Macross Frontier.

Besides, thanks to Macross 7 & Macross Frontier, designs aesthetics from previous original SDF:M & Macross DYRL meshed well together!

Sorry Macross fans but I can't see why so many are obsessed with Mari Ijima because she sounds like she drank pickle and lemon juice before singing some songs.

Mari Iijima is a gifted musician before she was roped in to do Lynn Minmay in SDFM & later to greater heights with DYRL, byu that time she was already a famous singer in her own right, songwriter, musician, music producer & even as a fairly famous radio DJ before she decided to pursue her entertainment career in the US.

The fact that a new Macross idoru, Megumi Nakajima (Renka Lee in Mcaross F) is basically following Mari Iijima footsteps in her fledgling career is very telling indeed!

I liked the second Macross where Sharon Apple activated the SDF,but what I could not understand is I remember the main guns destroid in DYRL but in other Macross shows it was as if never damaged.

Macross DYRL is simply a digital reconstruction or fancy CGI while the real SDF Macross from SDFM has been rebuilt since Quamzin Kravshera's monitor suicidal dash in the 2010s & still sitting peacefully in the lake becoming a glorified floating museum on Earth as evidenced from Mac Plus & Mac F.

Protoculture wrote:

DYRL served as in-Universe movie retelling of Space War One in Macross-verse, albeit a very popular movie at that which influenced next gen Macross generations in Macross Plus, Macross 7 & Macross Frontier.

In the main continuity only.

In the alternate universe continuity incl. Macross 2036, Macross: Eternal Love Song, and Macross II: Lovers Again, DYRL is the canon depiction of Space War 1.


Protoculture wrote:

Macross DYRL is simply a digital reconstruction or fancy CGI

Please refrain from stating your opinion as fact. All of the available evidence points to this being an incorrect assertion.

In the context of the main timeline, wherein DYRL is a historical drama that premiered in 2031 February, it is clearly and repeatedly states that real ships were in fact used during the filming of the movie. One participating ship is even identified by name and role... the exterior appearance of the training ship East River was altered using holography so it could portray Boddole Zer's mobile fortress. (Given the shape of the Boddole Zer mobile fortress, the East River was likely a West Point-class macro training ship)

Given the revelations in Macross Frontier about the existence of mass-produced Macross-class ships in the main timeline (first mention of mass-producing that class was in the background materials for Macross II back in 1991), it's highly likely that the role of the SDF-1 Macross was played by one of the mass-production Macross-class super dimension fortresses. If the remarks by Kawamori are taken at face value, there ARE more than a few of them (at least twenty or thirty, by the look of things).


Protoculture wrote:

while the real SDF Macross from SDFM has been rebuilt since Quamzin Kravshera's monitor suicidal dash in the 2010s & still sitting peacefully in the lake becoming a glorified floating museum on Earth as evidenced from Mac Plus & Mac F.

Actually, I looked back at this, and this is wrong too... the SDF-1 Macross was an operating command center for the U.N. Spacy forces on Earth as late as 2040. The combat trials of the Ghost X-9 (AIF-X-9) were conducted from there, as seen in Macross Plus.

It is possible it was still operating as late as 2059, but the flagship of the Earth Defense Fleet is identified as the Macross-13 by then.

In the main continuity only.

In the alternate universe continuity incl. Macross 2036, Macross: Eternal Love Song, and Macross II: Lovers Again, DYRL is the canon depiction of Space War 1.

The main continuity is Macross canon. Alternate-verse Mac II (2036 / ELS / II ) is just that, alternate & unlikely to be revisited by Kawamori apart from reusing Mac II tracks in Mac 7, several Mac II references in Mac F like New UN Spacey.

Other than that, Macross main continuity rules the Mac franchise.

Please refrain from stating your opinion as fact. All of the available evidence points to this being an incorrect assertion.

Thank you for the correction. However, irregardless of which Macross class vessels they used for DYRL production or whether its CGI fancy-schmany effects they used, the real SDF-1 Macross by that time is still a glorified floating museum back on Earth in main continuity.

Atleast, SDF-1 Macross deserved better treatment in main continuity than alternate Mac II, where SDF-1 is now nothing more than a bridge module stranded somewhere around devastated landscape of New Macross City.

Protoculture wrote:

The main continuity is Macross canon. Alternate-verse Mac II (2036 / ELS / II ) is just that, alternate & unlikely to be revisited

In film form, maybe... that hasn't stopped it from being covered in recent publications, getting new products, or being re-released recently. It's every bit as official as the main continuity.


Protoculture wrote:

Thank you for the correction [...] the real SDF-1 Macross by that time is still a glorified floating museum back on Earth in main continuity.

Okay, you thanked me for the correction and reiterated the error. Let's try this again.

At no (known) point in the main continuity has the SDF-1 Macross EVER been consigned to the status of a "glorified floating museum". In 2040, the Macross was an active U.N. Spacy base and command center, and had been for close to thirty years. The combat trials of the Ghost X-9 were conducted under the oversight of the Macross base. There's no indication that the ship ever stopped serving in that capacity either.

Being a combination of the Pentagon and NORAD doesn't seem like a raw deal for such a notorious ship... and it's certainly a far cry from being a floating museum.

Protoculture wrote:

Atleast, SDF-1 Macross deserved better treatment in main continuity than alternate Mac II, where SDF-1 is now nothing more than a bridge module stranded somewhere around devastated landscape of New Macross City.

It went out in a blaze of glory, bringing an end to a second large-scale space war, and even being regarded as a messiah... not a bad way to go out.

It's every bit as official as the main continuity.

Every bit as official as that of Jack MacKinney Robotech novelization to Robotech main continuity (RT Canon).

But nevertheless, given its own Macross 2036, Macross ELS & Macross II games, not mention serialised mangaka & even an English version official sub & that of official English version of Macross II manga ..... plus toylines & reused soundtracks in Mac 7 & pseudo NUNS in Mac F .... Mac II certainly hold on its own.

At no (known) point in the main continuity has the SDF-1 Macross EVER been consigned to the status of a "glorified floating museum". In 2040, the Macross was an active U.N. Spacy base and command center, and had been for close to thirty years. The combat trials of the Ghost X-9 were conducted under the oversight of the Macross base. There's no indication that the ship ever stopped serving in that capacity either

Acchhhh, it seems my mind be confusing me with that of Mac II's Macross. I rewatched Mac Plus & it seems you're correct. However, is there any proof stating SDF-1 Macross still operating as UN Spacy HQ by 2030s post Mac Plus?

Could it be from Mac VF-X or Mac VF-X 2 references? Mac 7 is pretty inconclusive regarding the matter ...

It went out in a blaze of glory, bringing an end to a second large-scale space war, and even being regarded as a messiah... not a bad way to go out.

Well, yeah ... that is the only good thing that came out from Mac II apart from the trouncing New UN Spacy forces from the avenging Mardook. (Besides, Ingues still remains my favorite Mac villains apart from SDFM's Quamzin & Mac 7's Sivil).

GOOD VIEWS AND POINTS.